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- From: dale@giskard.demon.co.uk (Dale Shuttleworth)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: 28.8 baud & telco responsibilities
- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:56:32 GMT
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- Hi,
-
- Floyd Davidson (floyd@polarnet.com) wrote:
- : alexlang@nando.net wrote:
-
- [...]
-
- : >But you raise exactly the right point. The total bps is a function of
- : >the symbols per second and the bits per symbol. The channel puts
- : >effective limits on both of these. The telcos have not (nor would I
- : >expect they ever will) spec the analog voice network for these two
- : >parameters in any realistic way.
- :
- : But they have already!
- :
- : You can expect a minimum bandwidth of 2400 Hz (from 400Hz to 2800Hz),
- : and a signal to noise ratio of 24 dB. It won't take too long to
- : relate that to v.32bis protocols!
-
- Ahh, but do they specify the performance with respect to phase? A
- line which suffers random phase shifting could meet these standards
- but most QAM (e.g. V34, V32, etc) modems would fail to connect at
- all. (This is not an uncommon problem!)
-
- : You can expect a maximum bandwidth of about 3500 Hz (from 100Hz to
- : 3600Hz) at a S/N of 36 dB. It won't take long to relate that to
- : v.34 28.8Kbps and 33.6Kbps protocols.
- :
- : Hmmm...
- :
- : The maximum bps is directly derived from bandwidth and S/N, and
- : in practice matches theory.
-
- But there is the assumption that those two values completely specify
- the performance of the line. This is not the case.
-
- I expect you could argue that lines where compression is used meet
- a 2400Hz bandwidth and 24dB SNR but again, the average modem will
- not be happy.
-
- Dale.
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